why do some here hate successful people?

ralpeg

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why do some here hate successful people?

why not admire them?

they haven't done anything to hurt you.

what do you want them to do? fail to make you feel better?

you wouldn't do that for them.

so why are you hating them when you'd do exactly what they are doing if you were them (/if you had their luck), and you and they would be right to.

it makes no sense. it's not rational.

is anybody here like that and actually thinking it's rational?

or do those here that are like that admit that it's irrational and stupid?
 

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What did I miss? AFAIK incels may hate people whose success is only thanks to their looks and IMO it's justified in a sense, because such people usually don't create value. Perhaps you could explain what exactly you are talking about and, if I'm wrong, correct me.
 

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Many of the successful people of 2019 are low value people or scam artists like Tai Lopez or Sam Ovens.

Nowadays success is often equated with just popularity and manipulation rather than actual ability or talent.
 

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Not all attractive people are successful. Someone could have an attractive wife and work as a janitor and she could be unemployed.
 

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I feel like this post was directly inspired by my post the other day "completely worthless and bitter about it" where I said I've come to resent all talented people because I am untalented and you responded to me with confusion asking these same questions.

I don't think it's "rational" emotions aren't rational, jealousy isn't rational. I acknowledge this, yet that still doesn't change the fact that that's how I feel. I wouldn't fuck up my favorite artists careers if given the chance. I'm just venting my irrational thoughts and feelings. If this forum isn't the place to do that then I don't know where is.
 

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tremor said:
What did I miss? AFAIK incels may hate people whose success is only thanks to their looks and IMO it's justified in a sense, because such people usually don't create value. Perhaps you could explain what exactly you are talking about and, if I'm wrong, correct me.
Even those people whose success is only down to their looks, are not to blame, so why hate them?

reg is right re what inspired my post.
 

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bcroger2 said:
Not all attractive people are successful. Someone could have an attractive wife and work as a janitor and she could be unemployed.
Bullshit. I've never seen a janitor that was physically attractive.
 

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reg509 said:
I feel like this post was directly inspired by my post the other day "completely worthless and bitter about it" where I said I've come to resent all talented people because I am untalented and you responded to me with confusion asking these same questions.

I don't think it's "rational" emotions aren't rational, jealousy isn't rational. I acknowledge this, yet that still doesn't change the fact that that's how I feel. I wouldn't fuck up my favorite artists careers if given the chance. I'm just venting my irrational thoughts and feelings. If this forum isn't the place to do that then I don't know where is.
I suppose if you acknowledge that you know it's not rational and you don't care that it's not rational, then it saves anybody the effort of trying to explain it to you.

And emotions can be rationally based. It's reasonably rational to hate somebody that tries to cause me harm. I know of somebody that was quite good with girls, and used to hate people who were better with girls than him, or dressed better than him, and he used to think "that asshole" so they had thoughts/feelings like that, but changed their thoughts and their feelings followed from that. If you actually don't care about being irrational then that's another matter but it helps if you make that clear.
 

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The emotions of envy/jealousy are rational from a evolutionary perspective. irrational from a modern perspective.

In ancient times, if your life was so shitty and miserable that you were envious of the alpha male, nature instructed you to take justice into your own hands, overpowering the alpha male in the hopes you could do a better job and spread more happiness to yourself and others. Nature's failsafe against corrupt alpha males.

If the alpha male caused other males to be so unhappy they would become envious and revolt.

Not so with modern times. Alpha males can continue to make incels more and more unhappy, while incels fester with envy.

Envy is something beta males experience.

Jealousy is something alpha males experience, alpha males become paranoid of other alpha's usurping their status, it is a form of narcissism.

There is also a duality divergence, specific to modern times.

Ancient animals had a pack. The alpha, was leader of the pack.

Not so with modern times.

You can be the alpha of your pack. But then have to obey the alpha of the state. Who then obeys the alpha of the nation. Which is kept in check by other alphas. There is a double divergence. People are both beta and alpha, alpha and omega.
 

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ralpeg said:
Even those people whose success is only down to their looks, are not to blame, so why hate them?
Already said ITT. They don't create value.

Also jealousy. Chad always wins and he can do that thanks to halo effect only. Posting this example for nth time
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/19/blue-eyed-tea-seller-arshad-khan-becomes-social-media-sensation-in-india-and-pakistan
https://www.gqindia.com/content/arshad-khan-pakistani-tea-seller-model/

Chad got a job literally because he existed for some time in a particular place. Now lurk incel forums, there are many stories of failed interviews, lost jobs etc.
 

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tremor said:
ralpeg said:
Even those people whose success is only down to their looks, are not to blame, so why hate them?
Already said ITT. They don't create value.
so there are useless guys that become models and make money from that without providing money.

do you think they are at fault for taking money people give them, while being useless?

if you were as useless as them and got money for something looks related like that blue eyed south asian, then would you give it back?

some people are useless and some useless people get lucky and get money despite being useless and not adding real value. So unless you think you would give the money back were you as useless as them but with their luck, then why would you blame them?
 

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Everything nowadays is a popularity scam. Just convince people you are average and people will like you. It's like what happened to the new Star Wars movies.

Where are the real creative geniuses anymore? Every ad on youtube everyone just seems average to me. Nobodies. Betas. Cucks. Hipsters. Yuppies. Etc
 

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ralpeg said:
tremor said:
ralpeg said:
Even those people whose success is only down to their looks, are not to blame, so why hate them?
Already said ITT. They don't create value.
so there are useless guys that become models and make money from that without providing money.

do you think they are at fault for taking money people give them, while being useless?

if you were as useless as them and got money for something looks related like that blue eyed south asian, then would you give it back?

some people are useless and some useless people get lucky and get money despite being useless and not adding real value. So unless you think you would give the money back were you as useless as them but with their luck, then why would you blame them?
Blame for what?

Also, I can't possibly know whether I would give money or not because I have never felt people were on my side, while Chad always feels this way from the validation he gets. Perhaps I would donate something to charities to virtue signal.
 

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tremor said:
ralpeg said:
tremor said:
Already said ITT. They don't create value.
so there are useless guys that become models and make money from that without providing money.

do you think they are at fault for taking money people give them, while being useless?

if you were as useless as them and got money for something looks related like that blue eyed south asian, then would you give it back?

some people are useless and some useless people get lucky and get money despite being useless and not adding real value. So unless you think you would give the money back were you as useless as them but with their luck, then why would you blame them?
Blame for what?

Also, I can't possibly know whether I would give money or not because I have never felt people were on my side, while Chad always feels this way from the validation he gets. Perhaps I would donate something to charities to virtue signal.
II'm not asking if you'd give money.

In response to "Why hate them?" You said They don't create value.

and you said "incels may hate people whose success is only thanks to their looks and IMO it's justified in a sense, because such people usually don't create value."

You agree they are not to blame.

So they're useless and don't create value. A lot of incels are useless and don't create value. They got lucky. They're not to blame.

Why hate people that are not to blame?

You don't hate people when they don't create value, but you hate people when they don't create value and then get lucky, whle you agree they are not to blame for getting lucky while not creating value.

I don't understand your positon at all.

Can't you see that your argument doesn't follow?! I don't see how you can even think that your argument follows. IF you want to admit that you're irrational and providing an irrational argument then fine. But you haven't stated that. Another person in the thread has stated that of himself, but you haven't.
 

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ralpeg said:
and you said "incels may hate people whose success is only thanks to their looks and IMO it's justified in a sense, because such people usually don't create value."

You agree they are not to blame.

So they're useless and don't create value. A lot of incels are useless and don't create value. They got lucky. They're not to blame.

Why hate people that are not to blame?
I hate them back. Ask them why they hate me for being ugly and having poor health from chronic diseases. Any other incel can be in a situation similar to mine and therefore have a reason for hate.
You don't hate people when they don't create value, but you hate people when they don't create value and then get lucky, whle you agree they are not to blame for getting lucky while not creating value.
FYI "a lot of incels" doesn't mean "all incels". It doesn't even mean "most of incels". Also I never stated I did not hate even a single incel. Come up with something other than demagoguery next time.
I don't understand your positon at all.

Can't you see that your argument doesn't follow?! I don't see how you can even think that your argument follows. IF you want to admit that you're irrational and providing an irrational argument then fine. But you haven't stated that. Another person in the thread has stated that of himself, but you haven't.
I can see that you have a hard time reasoning and try to pin it on me.

To avoid complicating the matters I'll forget about it this time it and call the whole thing a minor misunderstanding, caused by me not being an English native-speaker so that you could feel superior seeing that it probably your cope and I didn't have to view you as a troll.
 

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tremor said:
I hate them back. Ask them why they hate me for being ugly and having poor health from chronic diseases. Any other incel can be in a situation similar to mine and therefore have a reason for hate.
of course if they hate you then it makes sense to hate them, but you didn't say that before.

and we were talking about hating successful people, (or hating people that have no value are are lucky), not hating people that hate you.
 

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ralpeg said:
of course if they hate you then it makes sense to hate them, but you didn't say that before.
OK, I have got used that everyone in the community takes all incels being hated for granted. It's seldom specified but I agree it would be more correct if I did that.
and we were talking about hating successful people, (or hating people that have no value are are lucky), not hating people that hate you.
Well they either don't care about our existence or look down on us as inferior ones.

Also the jealousy thing.
 

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ralpeg said:
II'm not asking if you'd give money.

In response to "Why hate them?" You said They don't create value.

and you said "incels may hate people whose success is only thanks to their looks and IMO it's justified in a sense, because such people usually don't create value."

You agree they are not to blame.

So they're useless and don't create value. A lot of incels are useless and don't create value. They got lucky. They're not to blame.

Why hate people that are not to blame?

You don't hate people when they don't create value, but you hate people when they don't create value and then get lucky, whle you agree they are not to blame for getting lucky while not creating value.

I don't understand your positon at all.

Can't you see that your argument doesn't follow?! I don't see how you can even think that your argument follows. IF you want to admit that you're irrational and providing an irrational argument then fine. But you haven't stated that. Another person in the thread has stated that of himself, but you haven't.
Because its putting on a pedastal people who give no value. It causes social decay.

Imagine if a schoolroom, classroom, college, etc, gave A+ to people just for being good looking. But gave the gifted nerds F's for being ugly.

That's pretty much the society we have.

tremor said:
I hate them back. Ask them why they hate me for being ugly and having poor health from chronic diseases. Any other incel can be in a situation similar to mine and therefore have a reason for hate.
Sorry about your health. Hope you feel better.
 

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lordoftheincels said:
bcroger2 said:
Not all attractive people are successful. Someone could have an attractive wife and work as a janitor and she could be unemployed.
Bullshit. I've never seen a janitor that was physically attractive.
A lot of physically attractive people are not exactly successful in life. I have seen many attractive waiters, secretaries, unsuccessful actors and models and car salesmen. Many people who major in management and marketing are Chads and those aren't exactly useful majors.

"Success" isn't based off who you fuck as a man. Its based on income and occupation.

However, attractive WOMEN have it easy. They could be a dumbass and marry some guy making $250,0000+
 
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