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sheidgeda

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sheidgeda said:
Jen said:
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And alcohol and cigarettes definitely don't do that.
Cigarettes make you smell terrible and after years of usage they cause big wrinkles around your mouth and your face looks "sucked in", if you know what I mean. It is also linked to various cancers, from mouth to lungs...
Alcohol addicts also stink and their liver is heavily damaged.
All of those things also damage your teeth or at least make them yellow.
Understood. All I'm saying is that not all physical effects are as extreme or pronounced as those ones, in fact the ones you showed are more extreme reactions than most.
Of course. I am just trying to say that most often substance addiction is pretty noticeable.
 
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Jen

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Jen said:
sheidgeda said:
Cigarettes make you smell terrible and after years of usage they cause big wrinkles around your mouth and your face looks "sucked in", if you know what I mean. It is also linked to various cancers, from mouth to lungs...
Alcohol addicts also stink and their liver is heavily damaged.
All of those things also damage your teeth or at least make them yellow.
Understood. All I'm saying is that not all physical effects are as extreme or pronounced as those ones, in fact the ones you showed are more extreme reactions than most.
Of course. I am just trying to say that most often substance addiction is pretty noticeable.
I will concede that point to you.
 

Stargazer

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Stargazer said:
Jen said:
I'm talking about adult relatives in their 30s who have been addicted since their teens, one even dying via heroin overdose. They looked and acted remarkably well.
Very small group to form such a strong opinion on. I've seen real addiction and trust me its not pretty or constructive for society. Should've seen me try and get my aunt ready for a funeral. Just a couple of hours without her 'fix' and she was a totally different person. Violent shakes, profuse sweating, repetetive throwing up. I thought she was dying and it was very scary.

Day after the funeral and after her 'fix' she was right as rain and perky.

Its not the drugs that cause them to act like that, its withdrawal from when they try to go without. I think you should research withdrawal.
I know and understand. The first time I ever witnessed withdrawal was at a family gathering on the Mormon side of my family. My mom was the only person there with any qualifications to help him, and I agree, it was scary. However, that doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal.
Its already not illegal to be an addict. No one is saying make addiction illegal. However, you cannot go around saying that people should have the choice to be an addict. That just doesnt make any logical sense because addiction means the lack of choice.

Your body is addicted and if you try to go without then you will experience 'withdrawal'. Withdrawal is so horrible that it ends up pushing people back to drugs. Its a vicious cycle.

Just because people dont ask for help, doesnt mean they are happy being an addict. Usually it just means they've hit rock bottom and have lost any will they have to fight. I doubt your adult family would have discussed this with you in detail. You are making a judgement based on distant observation, not on any first or even second hand experience.

Also drug addiction is a choice of the individual which impacts the lives of many. Which isnt fair.

Hun, youre naive.
 

Jen

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Jen said:
Stargazer said:
Very small group to form such a strong opinion on. I've seen real addiction and trust me its not pretty or constructive for society. Should've seen me try and get my aunt ready for a funeral. Just a couple of hours without her 'fix' and she was a totally different person. Violent shakes, profuse sweating, repetetive throwing up. I thought she was dying and it was very scary.

Day after the funeral and after her 'fix' she was right as rain and perky.

Its not the drugs that cause them to act like that, its withdrawal from when they try to go without. I think you should research withdrawal.
I know and understand. The first time I ever witnessed withdrawal was at a family gathering on the Mormon side of my family. My mom was the only person there with any qualifications to help him, and I agree, it was scary. However, that doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal.
Its already not illegal to be an addict. No one is saying make addiction illegal. However, you cannot go around saying that people should have the choice to be an addict. That just doesnt make any logical sense because addiction means the lack of choice.

Your body is addicted and if you try to go without then you will experience 'withdrawal'. Withdrawal is so horrible that it ends up pushing people back to drugs. Its a vicious cycle.

Just because people dont ask for help, doesnt mean they are happy being an addict. Usually it just means they've hit rock bottom and have lost any will they have to fight. I doubt your adult family would have discussed this with you in detail. You are making a judgement based on distant observation, not on any first or even second hand experience.

Also drug addiction is a choice of the individual which impacts the lives of many. Which isnt fair.

Hun, youre naive.
When I initially said addiction it was the wrong choice of word. I should have said use. And drug use is illegal.
 

Stargazer

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Stargazer said:
Jen said:
As an anarcho-socialist I can agree that the government is an overblown system. I just want affordable university, that's all, as well as to have dental, optometry, ambulances, and prescriptions covered for by our current healthcare system.
Ambulances arent covered under your healthcare?!?!
No. They are cheap, but not covered.
Whoah thats wayyy harsh lol. I just wish the NHS covered dental.
 
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