On nice guys

ortharzeal

EteRnal Evil.
"Nice guy" is a trending internet meme used by normtards to cyber-bully incels who try to ascend by following the advice these normtards give while virtue-signaling.

I would like to point out what I would call a major misinterpretation of the phenomenon. As it often happens, the trouble is caused by normans' hypocrisy, cowardice and boastfulness.

The justification for the bullying is that "these entitled neckbeards mistake being nice for being spineless and want wymyn to fuck them because they hold doors for ladies". While the second part is plain fake news and gives off strawman vibes, the first is where misinterpretation actually lies.

A nice guy's struggle is about trying to follow the rules behind which there is no force that would punish the violators. As I have already mentioned, a nice guy sticks to formulaic rules like "just be confident, just do chivalry, just keep her entertained, just pay her enough attention, just lower your standards, just be 7'3" or whatever else. A tiny detail to notice is that they seldom actually promise success these days, even though it used to be a thing before the nice guy hysteria.

Anyway, the real problem with following bluepilled solution manual to dating problems is that nobody guarantees with force that the rules, the existence of which normans imply, actually work. Another, this time a major detail to pay attention to is how they, when called out for their bullshit, deny these dating rules exist.

Not that they are wrong, but historically normans were less concerned of actual existence of rules when there was force behind them, no matter real or not, so effectively these non-existent rules existed to them. Basically, to normans rules exist if and only if there is force behind them that punishes the violators. In other words, if there is force behind a set of rules, normans will follow those and if normans follow a set of rules you can safely assume there is force that scares them and can supposedly punish those who disobey, even though the force may be fictional. Might makes right.

An example to illustrate this is religion. It used to be a good tool of enforcing monogamy and morality. Normtards would follow the "rules" of going to heaven in the afterlife for fear of the God/Devil bogeyman. As Voltaire brilliantly put it, "If God didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent Him". Modern normies laugh at "religious superstitions" and fashionably declare themselves atheists to project alleged strength, to brag about not fearing the bogeyman that would keep them wake at night.
It's to a degree similar with totalitarian regimes and ideologies related to them.

So, nice guys are bullied by normans for taking their advice because, once they leave the plane of virtue signaling, it becomes a sign of weakness and cuckoldry ("being spineless and pathetic") to them. This explanation is more universal than the "these are incels and denial who just want good guy points for themselves", even relatively successful normans can do that because they are all NPC at large and never mature for their mentality to be different from that of the Stone Age. We are the real civilized humans and the real NT.
 

lordoftheincels

Incels.Net Master
Normans are beyond reason. They tell incel advice to be nice to women to get laid. Then when incels are nice to women to get laid, they blame them for doing what they told them to do in the first place.
 

Sasaki

Von
lordoftheincels said:
Normans are beyond reason. They tell incel advice to be nice to women to get laid. Then when incels are nice to women to get laid, they blame them for doing what they told them to do in the first place.
I don't think normans tell incels to be nice TO GET LAID, but just for the sake of being nice. I haven't seen any norman say "be nice to get pussy", they just say "be nice and women will appreciate you for who you are and they'll become friends with you then you might get laid" (I know being nice doesn't work either way since incels are doomed regardless of how they act).
 

lordoftheincels

Incels.Net Master
For some, being a cuck and trying to fit into a lukewarm society, is as bad as the incel itself. Even Christ, the king of mellow, said that being lukewarm was worse than sin itself.
 

ortharzeal

EteRnal Evil.
lordoftheincels said:
For some, being a cuck and trying to fit into a lukewarm society, is as bad as the incel itself. Even Christ, the king of mellow, said that being lukewarm was worse than sin itself.
Trying to fit in is a good option for normies who are eligible for cooperation and compromise. Incels are not, therefore to us "mog or get mogged" relationship model applies and any concessions involves tons of risk, may as well be fatal.
 

DarthZaza

Incels.Net Novice
tremor said:
"Nice guy" is a trending internet meme used by normtards to cyber-bully incels who try to ascend by following the advice these normtards give while virtue-signaling.

I would like to point out what I would call a major misinterpretation of the phenomenon. As it often happens, the trouble is caused by normans' hypocrisy, cowardice and boastfulness.

The justification for the bullying is that "these entitled neckbeards mistake being nice for being spineless and want wymyn to fuck them because they hold doors for ladies". While the second part is plain fake news and gives off strawman vibes, the first is where misinterpretation actually lies.

A nice guy's struggle is about trying to follow the rules behind which there is no force that would punish the violators. As I have already mentioned, a nice guy sticks to formulaic rules like "just be confident, just do chivalry, just keep her entertained, just pay her enough attention, just lower your standards, just be 7'3" or whatever else. A tiny detail to notice is that they seldom actually promise success these days, even though it used to be a thing before the nice guy hysteria.

Anyway, the real problem with following bluepilled solution manual to dating problems is that nobody guarantees with force that the rules, the existence of which normans imply, actually work. Another, this time a major detail to pay attention to is how they, when called out for their bullshit, deny these dating rules exist.

Not that they are wrong, but historically normans were less concerned of actual existence of rules when there was force behind them, no matter real or not, so effectively these non-existent rules existed to them. Basically, to normans rules exist if and only if there is force behind them that punishes the violators. In other words, if there is force behind a set of rules, normans will follow those and if normans follow a set of rules you can safely assume there is force that scares them and can supposedly punish those who disobey, even though the force may be fictional. Might makes right.

An example to illustrate this is religion. It used to be a good tool of enforcing monogamy and morality. Normtards would follow the "rules" of going to heaven in the afterlife for fear of the God/Devil bogeyman. As Voltaire brilliantly put it, "If God didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent Him". Modern normies laugh at "religious superstitions" and fashionably declare themselves atheists to project alleged strength, to brag about not fearing the bogeyman that would keep them wake at night.
It's to a degree similar with totalitarian regimes and ideologies related to them.

So, nice guys are bullied by normans for taking their advice because, once they leave the plane of virtue signaling, it becomes a sign of weakness and cuckoldry ("being spineless and pathetic") to them. This explanation is more universal than the "these are incels and denial who just want good guy points for themselves", even relatively successful normans can do that because they are all NPC at large and never mature for their mentality to be different from that of the Stone Age. We are the real civilized humans and the real NT.

+1
 

Xenon

Incels.Net Novice
Cthulhu said:
lordoftheincels said:
Normans are beyond reason. They tell incel advice to be nice to women to get laid. Then when incels are nice to women to get laid, they blame them for doing what they told them to do in the first place.
I don't think normans tell incels to be nice TO GET LAID, but just for the sake of being nice. I haven't seen any norman say "be nice to get pusѕy", they just say "be nice and women will appreciate you for who you are and they'll become friends with you then you might get laid" (I know being nice doesn't work either way since incels are doomed regardless of how they act).
Well put, the meme about "nice guys" is mostly about people saying they're nice but, as a matter of fact, acting in a whole different direction. I thought it is fairly old, like coming from a decade ago or s.
 

lordoftheincels

Incels.Net Master
Spoiler alert, there is nothing wrong with being nice to a woman, for the purpose of sex and or relationships. This is healthy and natural.

It is unhealthy, and unnatural, to be a white knight cuck who is nice to women even when women never do anything nice for him. This is the way of the numale.


Final spoiler alert, it is silly to shame incels for being toxic. You'd be toxic too if your whole life you were a reject who never gotten any love or sexual satisfaction.
 

ortharzeal

EteRnal Evil.
Xenon said:
Well put, the meme about "nice guys" is mostly about people saying they're nice but, as a matter of fact, acting in a whole different direction. I thought it is fairly old, like coming from a decade ago or s.
Chad can jump to "acting in a whole different direction" skipping the nice guy part. Also if you don't "act in a whole different direction" you are labeled impotent or gay or just end up as an orbiter.

In short, females will always "rationalize" their lust for Chad and hate for sub-Chad. It's not about "hypocrisy of those fat neckbeards", it's about them not being Chad.

Original post was on why exactly normtards mock nice guys though.
 

ortharzeal

EteRnal Evil.
notheregoaway said:
Genius level IQ
Tbh shit is sort of intuitive when you take the blackpill.

If to talk about incel issie in general, there are quite a few things which we pin on soy cucks and soy cucks pin on us with both parties dismissing the accusations, like whiteknighting (being a nice guy), subhumanity (being a fat ugly untidy neckbeard), being low T (being weak whiny closet faggots) and apparently it's being done for the sake of conflict.

They attack because they feel no threat for doing so and expect easy victory with no response (totally not bullies), we do response symmetrically, then both parties claim victory by stating that their position is "the truth". Trouble is, their "truth" is, despite actually having blackpilled and hence reliable foundation, is constructed in a way to maintain status quo and cope which is a part of the problem. It is not "the truth", not a model, it's a tool of oppression, they misinterpret reality to mislead the public.

So, normans fuel conflict for the sake of conflict and, by leaving incels with one of the two options : be laughed at or be feared (see r/inceltears) - ultimately encourage new incel shootings. It's not some "incel cult boogeyman" who does it.

This way to think about the whole thing makes the conflict somewhat less meaningless, but hey, we aren't normies. Normtards could never boast of the ability to maintain discourse of high culture, but supreme gentlemen such as ourselves have to maximize our awareness of things we talk about and use as many potentially productive approaches as possible. Noblesse oblige.

Also, ironically, from things I have stated above, it follows that we should spread the bluepill instead of the blackpill, only it should be an older version of it, the one about a happy "property" gf and everlasting monogamy. Need to seize power before this becomes important though.
 

lordoftheincels

Incels.Net Master
I dream of a society that gives mercy to incels. But instead, what I recieve is a society that bullies and mocks incels relentlessly. It is beyond insult to injury. I ask for gold, yet I receive golden turds.
 

ortharzeal

EteRnal Evil.
Based Richard Feynman and his niceguy-related experience, copefuel for douchebagmaxers and PUAcels. ("Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman!")

[...]
"So it was easy; there was nothing to it. That night after the bar closed I went again over to the master and Gloria's motel. They were laughing and smiling, happy with how it worked out. "All right," I said, "I'm absolutely convinced that you two know exactly what you are talking about. Now, what about the lessons?

"OK," he says. "The whole principle is this: The guy wants to be a gentleman. He doesn't want to be thought of as impolite,crude, or especially a cheapskate. As long as the girl knows the guy's motives so well, it's easy to steer him in the direction she wants him to go. 

"Therefore," he continued, "under no circumstances be a gentleman! You must disrespect the girls. Furthermore, the very first rule is, don't buy a girl anything -
not even a package of cigarettes until you've asked her if she'll sleep with you, and you're convinced that she will, and that she's not lying." 
"Uh. . . you mean. . . you don't. . . uh. . . you just ask them?"  "OK," he says, "I know this is your first lesson, and it may be hard for you to be  so blunt. So you might buy her one thing ­­ just one little something ­­ before you ask.  But on the other hand, it will only make it more difficult." 

Well, someone only has to give me the principle, and I get the idea. All during the next day I built up my psychology differently: I adopted the attitude that those bar girls are all bitches, that they aren't worth anything, and all they're in there for is to get you to buy them a drink, and they're not going to give you a goddamn thing; I'm not going to be  a gentleman to such worthless bitches, and so on. I learned it till it was automatic.  Then that night I was ready to try it out. [...]

On the way to the bar I was working up nerve to try th master's lesson on an ordinary girl. After all, you don't feel so bad disrespecting a bar girl who's trying to get you to buy her drinks ­­ but a nice, ordinary, Southern girl?  We went into the bar, and before I sat down, I said, "Listen, before I buy you a drink, I want to know one thing: Will you sleep with me tonight?" 
"Yes." 

So it worked even with an ordinary girl! But no matter how effective the lesson was, I never really used it after that. I didn't enjoy doing it that way. But it was interesting to know that things worked much differently from how I was brought up."
 

BrettyBoy

Locally undesired.
I hate it when people use the term ‘Nice guy’ in a sarcastic way and anyone who does is degenerate.
 
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