My final blackpill thread (warning, very long)

Kolibri

Destroyer of Soy
I've been lurking this thread, mostly silently, for the last few days. Partly out of curiosity but mostly out of frustration after seeing the way women are spoken about in a lot of the comments on here. As a women, I find it strange that there's women on here that aren't bothered by this at all. But back to the reason I'm commenting here.

Firebrand, I've just read your post and to an extent, I think you've helped me to understand the frustration better than I have from the last few days of lurking. We don't get to see the lives you've all lived, the struggles you've faced and all the rejections you've had to brush off. We only see the result of that, which is understandably anger, resentment and a very pessimistic world view.
There's always been this image of incels as basement dwelling guys who don't shower, and who have a boner for fakecels like Ellіot Rodger. But most of us are much more nuanced than that. You can see this by checking out most of the members' origin stories. There are men here who were outright rаped and physically abused by women, others were humiliated and mistreated by wide swaths of people; it's just one big garbage fest.

There are members here like AfricanCel who have similar stories to me. They grew up being a good kid and, eventually, a good MAN, yet people still hate their guts and try to get in the way of what they're doing.

Before reading this I'd 100% say I was bluepilled, i would admit that the less attractive you are the harder it is to find someone, but not impossible. Now I have doubts, and that breaks my heart.

I still don't believe women are the route of all evil. It would be weird if I did. But I understand your point of view a lot better. I don't think there's anything I can say that will make a difference in any of your lives, but I enjoyed reading a thread about an incel talking so positively about themself. If you guys are right and this world is cruel and unfair, then even without 'getting the girl', always feel proud of the things you have achieved, because you probably had to work 10x as hard to get them.
I don't believe that women exactly are the root of all evil, but I think a lot of them misdirect their hatred, anger, and rejections towards the wrong guys. It is highly frustrating to have a good story to tell, and a good head on your shoulders, yet nobody seems to notice or care. But then you walk out into the world the next day and see thugs, pedos, and psychopaths with loving families and plenty of friends. Yet guys like me are the ones who have the police called on us, or humiliated online, or ghosted, or any number of crazy reverse karma ѕhit.

I'm trying to be proud of myself now, because I've learned a lot and done a lot in 31 years that nobody can take from me. It may not matter to others, but it at least should to me. I'm not perfect, but goddammit, I'm trying.
 

Dionysos

Incels.Net Master
EdgarTheDog64 said:
Gelgamek said:
I can't deny we live in an increasingly shallow world, a lot of average folk feel unattractive by today's standards, so I can't imagine how it is for you guys. There's also a lot of merit to the idea that it's easier for women. Its weird that in a world with pretty equal numbers of men and women, women are kind of viewed as a prize to be won. Its a sexist view that seems to actually benefit women.

I do question what kind of actions you guys think might counteract these problems. Because I don't believe taking opportunities away from women or taking away their rights is justifiable or even possible at this point.
Are you a virgin? How many sexual partners have you had? If so, how many times have you fucked with them (each)?
That's awfully personal! I'm not sure if you're asking me out of curiosity or to try and shame me but giving you the benefit of the doubt, and considering I feel fairly anonymous on here, I'll oblige.

I'm 23. I'm not a virgin. I've had 4 sexual partners. 2 were ex boyfriends, one was a 'hookup' and the last is my current boyfriend.

Take from that what you will.
What’s a roastie doing on a incel forum?
 

RelapseCel

Incels.Net Master
Gelgamek said:
EdgarTheDog64 said:
Are you a virgin? How many sexual partners have you had? If so, how many times have you fucked with them (each)?
That's awfully personal! I'm not sure if you're asking me out of curiosity or to try and shame me but giving you the benefit of the doubt, and considering I feel fairly anonymous on here, I'll oblige.

I'm 23. I'm not a virgin. I've had 4 sexual partners. 2 were ex boyfriends, one was a 'hookup' and the last is my current boyfriend.

Take from that what you will.
What’s a roastie doing on a incel forum?
Hardly a roastie. 4 guys at 23? Most of the girls I knew had more than that before their 18th. Thats practically untouched goods in my book.
 

Dionysos

Incels.Net Master
Dionysos said:
Gelgamek said:
That's awfully personal! I'm not sure if you're asking me out of curiosity or to try and shame me but giving you the benefit of the doubt, and considering I feel fairly anonymous on here, I'll oblige.

I'm 23. I'm not a virgin. I've had 4 sexual partners. 2 were ex boyfriends, one was a 'hookup' and the last is my current boyfriend.

Take from that what you will.
What’s a roastie doing on a incel forum?
Hardly a roastie. 4 guys at 23? Most of the girls I knew had more than that before their 18th. Thats practically untouched goods in my book.
How our standards have fallen
 

Fiesta Payasos

Doomed | Honkpill
I've had 4 sexual partners. 2 were ex boyfriends, one was a 'hookup' and the last is my current boyfriend.
Not offense. But in my opinion a female that had 4 sexual partners is repulsive. Might be accepted today as something normal and good. But deep inside we all know it's disgusting just to think about it. And of course the same kind of guys are the ones involved, you basically interchange them.
 

Fiesta Payasos

Doomed | Honkpill
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Dionysos said:
Gelgamek said:
That's awfully personal! I'm not sure if you're asking me out of curiosity or to try and shame me but giving you the benefit of the doubt, and considering I feel fairly anonymous on here, I'll oblige.

I'm 23. I'm not a virgin. I've had 4 sexual partners. 2 were ex boyfriends, one was a 'hookup' and the last is my current boyfriend.

Take from that what you will.
What’s a roastie doing on a incel forum?
Hardly a roastie. 4 guys at 23? Most of the girls I knew had more than that before their 18th. Thats practically untouched goods in my book.
Disgusting
 

apfel4

Incels.Net Novice
Dionysos said:
Gelgamek said:
That's awfully personal! I'm not sure if you're asking me out of curiosity or to try and shame me but giving you the benefit of the doubt, and considering I feel fairly anonymous on here, I'll oblige.

I'm 23. I'm not a virgin. I've had 4 sexual partners. 2 were ex boyfriends, one was a 'hookup' and the last is my current boyfriend.

Take from that what you will.
What’s a roastie doing on a incel forum?
Hardly a roastie. 4 guys at 23? Most of the girls I knew had more than that before their 18th. Thats practically untouched goods in my book.
4 is still too many sexual partners by 23 to have. I haven’t even had one sexual partner. Increase of STDS too
 

Fiesta Payasos

Doomed | Honkpill
RelapseCel said:
Dionysos said:
What’s a roastie doing on a incel forum?
Hardly a roastie. 4 guys at 23? Most of the girls I knew had more than that before their 18th. Thats practically untouched goods in my book.
4 is still too many sexual partners by 23 to have. I haven’t even had one sexual partner. Increase of STDS too
That's what I need to believe otherwise I feel seriously disgusted
 

thinkb4uspeak

Incels.Net Junior
After this, I plan to not post much longer. No, I didn't ascend or anything, quite the opposite. I don't fit in anywhere, and that includes here. So I'm gonna make an effort to completely isolate myself from everywhere after this. I'm gonna ask to get banned within the next couple days. But first....

There was a thread asking "what did we do to improve ourselves?" The point of this post is to lay out a good chunk of my positive attributes with examples, so maybe I can convert a few bluepillers to my side before I go. I'm essentially somewhat doxxing myself by posting this thread, but that's ok. It's worth it.

It really IS all about your face. That's what inceldom is caused by. Not mental issues, not autism, not height (up to a point), not your raсe, usually, but your face.

I have a good amount of positive personality attributes. I'm gonna outline those first.

1. I'm kind. I've stopped to help people push their cars to gas stations before when they ran out of gas. I've volunteered at soup kitchens. I've done work for free for certain people that I should have charged for. I've helped many people, especially women, feel better about themselves, because I know what it's like to not feel good about yourself.

2. I'm loyal. I don't flip flop sides UNLESS the other person flip flopped first. Back in my more bluepilled days I was super loyal to women that I liked even though I never dated any of them! If a fight broke out involving one of my "friends" I'd jump right in and fight alongside them. I'm also not a snitch. I don't sell people out, and I really don't want them to do it to me.

3. I'm interesting. I have a lot of stories about things I've done or been through. Things that I never mentioned on here before because I'd get doxxed easily. I'll mention one, and only one, here. I got to moderate a forum for a favorite video game company of mine. Then there's other stories, like how I was featured on the news twice during elementary school, or the first out of body experience I had.

4. I mog most chads in confidence. Or at least I used to. I'd walk right up to whatever woman I found attractive and would try to talk to her. It almost never ended well, but I did it anyway. Once I hit 30 though I stopped really doing it. I'm also not one to back down from a challenge. Even if I think I lose, I'll try anyway. This confidence never helped me in any way though. Even my own co-workers of all people think I'm confident, and most of them can't STAND me!!!

5. I'm intelligent. I think several steps ahead usually, and have a high degree of intuition (though sometimes I try to ignore it), common sense, book smarts, AND street smarts. By first grade I was reading at seventh grade level, and I got so many credits in middle school that my ninth grade year was me just sitting in study hall for five hours, and my tenth grade year, I only had to go to school for 2 hours and 45 minutes a day, which was about three periods, plus lunch. School still sucked though. I've also applied my street smarts to help me when I lived in the hood. If not for that, I probably wouldn't have survived.

6. I'm resilient. I've been through ѕhit that would make normies hang themselves. The few family members I cared about died when I was little. I've been homeless three times, lived with a physically and mentally abusive mother and father, got bullied at school by teachers and students alike, gotten accused of some horrible ѕhit, such as theft and sexual harassment, ended up working with a bunch of shitty people I despise for nine fuсking years, get called ugly every day and treated like I'm a fuсking leper by nearly everyone around me, had numerous instances of terrible luck otherwise, but I'm still here. I'm still alive. Buttfucked, but alive.

Now, other credentials I have, such as talents and skills.

I have all the basic life skills that everyone should have. I can cook, clean, do laundry, do most basic car repairs (most guys I know can't do ANY of this ѕhit). Despite this, women still want useless, paperweight trophy Chad. If any of you other cels can't do some of this stuff, don't feel bad, because I can understand. LDAR is a strong thing. I've been doing that for the past month just about. I'm more pointing at the chads and soys who can't do this ѕhit.

I'm a jack of all trades, and master of some.

I can play certain sports at least decently, like basketball, soccer, and baseball. A really strange one that I have a natural talent for is badminton, though I don't like to play it because it reminds me of the bourgeois.

I was a competent graphic designer, but got bored of doing it, and stopped doing it after being ripped off for a project. Photoshop, pencil, marker, you name it, I can design some cool ѕhit with whatever you ask me to.

I can put together furniture like nobody's business. I don't know any other guys my age that can even do this. Most struggle to even hammer a nail. My specialty is tables and chairs. But my favorite thing to put together are those swinging benches with the awning over them.

I can come up with clever solutions to certain situations. A good example was when my mom needed an antenna right away for her tv because her old one broke. Nobody around had one. I was able to use my unconventional wisdom to make a makeshift one out of bent paper clips for her. It worked too.

While I haven't mastered any other languages other than English, I still know a fair bit of Japanese, Spanish, and some German. Though I never really use any of it. I'm lying somewhat, I use Japanese for my game collection.


I'm only 31 and have no debt and a good credit score. This probably doesn't sound like a big deal, but I was able to pay my debt off after ten years, and even got a refund when I found out I overpaid. Most people my age have at least 50k in debt or so left by this age. Me, I have none. And I make a decent amount of money compared to most guys in my area. Practically everything I have, I OWN. I don't rent anything except the house I'm living in.

Other miscellaneous things about me. I love to learn new subjects and new things, though that's diminished a lot over the past two years or so. The last thing I was learning was how to do more fancy car repairs.

I also love to travel. It's very hard for me to want to stay home most of the time. I break that stereotype of incels sitting in their moms' basements all day.

Now for what I've tried dating wise.

Talking to women in real life. It almost never ended well, and it especially didn't when I cold and warm approached 1,300 or so women in the span of 15 months during college. Three or four women a day, and not a single one said yes. Other guys around me tried this and ended up at least getting dates. I didn't. I did make a few girl "friends" in my life, but they usually abandoned me for someone who would treat them badly.

Talking to women online. This led to at least 500 rejections or ghostings. This was over a span of about nine years on OkCupid and PoF. Tinder I used on and off for a couple years, with a couple validation matches and one woman who did match me but kept talking in circles.

Tried the "friends first" approach, never worked.

Tried meeting women through people I knew, never worked.

Tried joining clubs relevant to my interests, such as gaming and anime. Zilch.

Conventions. Zippo.

Speed dating. Nada.

Alternative dating sites like Hinge, Bumble, and KinkD. Goose egg.

I should note I'm not a fan of modern beauty standards. So before any bluepillers accuse me of going for stacies and that's why my results are lacking, hell no. I like mid tier Becky or slightly below. They don't like me though.

So with all my credentials, and the fact that I'm a fuсking Swiss army knife of a man, why do you think I can't find a woman to save my life?

I mean obviously it's not lack of personality, confidence, or ambition. It's not lack of skills, or lack of leaving the house. It's not lack of interesting things. The usual response from a woman when she thinks I'm interested in her is, eww, he's UGLY! They look right past all my awesome attributes, and focus on my face, without missing a goddamn beat.


This happens no matter WHAT I do to improve myself, or what I do to be more interesting. It's the same damn result every time. What do you bluepillers have to say about this?

TL;DR, I have a shitton of credentials that should make me at least boyfriend material, but women hate me because of my face. The blackpill is real. Do not be fooled by this self improvement ѕhit.
The problem isn't your face. It's your attitude. How many of the women you mentioned have you wanted to just be friends with? The main problem here is that you've made a checklist of what you think girls "want", but in reality they want someone who sees them for who they are and not just "a woman". You seem to think that women are these shallow creatures that only go for specific things in a man, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Every woman is unique. There is no checklist of "credentials" that you need to get a girl. Everyone has their own tastes, and yeah, it might be hard to find someone who admires who you are, but there's going to be at least one person out there that you click with. Dating isn't an algorithm that you can solve, it's an emotional experience that is different for everyone. If you want to talk more to someone who won't judge you, I'm always here and willing to listen and give advice. I've had success with women before, so I can help out if you want. Best wishes.
 

Kolibri

Destroyer of Soy
The problem isn't your face. It's your attitude. How many of the women you mentioned have you wanted to just be friends with? The main problem here is that you've made a checklist of what you think girls "want", but in reality they want someone who sees them for who they are and not just "a woman". You seem to think that women are these shallow creatures that only go for specific things in a man, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Every woman is unique. There is no checklist of "credentials" that you need to get a girl. Everyone has their own tastes, and yeah, it might be hard to find someone who admires who you are, but there's going to be at least one person out there that you click with. Dating isn't an algorithm that you can solve, it's an emotional experience that is different for everyone. If you want to talk more to someone who won't judge you, I'm always here and willing to listen and give advice. I've had success with women before, so I can help out if you want. Best wishes.
So to sum it up, you blame my attitude, when the main thing I've got going for me IS my attitude?

There does seem to be a checklist to what women want, but it seems to be mostly things we men can't control. Mind explaining how psychopathic pedophiles with no job can get women, I mean guys like that don't have the best attitudes. I'd know, because one of these guys almost killed my mom two years ago, and the guy is married and has a kid. He's not an outlier either. There's plenty of guys like that who have nothing going for them except looks, and they're the ones who do best in life.

So you explain to me how attitude means anything when boring guys and guys with dark clouds over their heads slay with women. I'm dying to hear it.

BTW, I tried to get to know women. Wanna know what they did? Abandoned me for guys who didn't give a ѕhit about them. Or stopped me from even getting in the door because of my face. So your logic, or lack thereof, is flawed. I do what I can to be there and listen to women, and try to treat them as unique individuals. Unfortunately, the vast majority have proven me totally wrong, because they go for the same types of guys over and over. I've noticed a pattern in what guys do and don't get dates, and it's the guys like me who have everything but looks who are single.

I made this thread to cover my bases to educate normies like you, and show that it's not attitude, personality, confidence, or lack of ambition that causes inceldom.

Btw, unfollow me. I don't want you following me.
 

Tupolev

Спецназ
Firebrand said:
After this, I plan to not post much longer. No, I didn't ascend or anything, quite the opposite. I don't fit in anywhere, and that includes here. So I'm gonna make an effort to completely isolate myself from everywhere after this. I'm gonna ask to get banned within the next couple days. But first....

There was a thread asking "what did we do to improve ourselves?" The point of this post is to lay out a good chunk of my positive attributes with examples, so maybe I can convert a few bluepillers to my side before I go. I'm essentially somewhat doxxing myself by posting this thread, but that's ok. It's worth it.

It really IS all about your face. That's what inceldom is caused by. Not mental issues, not autism, not height (up to a point), not your raсe, usually, but your face.

I have a good amount of positive personality attributes. I'm gonna outline those first.

1. I'm kind. I've stopped to help people push their cars to gas stations before when they ran out of gas. I've volunteered at soup kitchens. I've done work for free for certain people that I should have charged for. I've helped many people, especially women, feel better about themselves, because I know what it's like to not feel good about yourself.

2. I'm loyal. I don't flip flop sides UNLESS the other person flip flopped first. Back in my more bluepilled days I was super loyal to women that I liked even though I never dated any of them! If a fight broke out involving one of my "friends" I'd jump right in and fight alongside them. I'm also not a snitch. I don't sell people out, and I really don't want them to do it to me.

3. I'm interesting. I have a lot of stories about things I've done or been through. Things that I never mentioned on here before because I'd get doxxed easily. I'll mention one, and only one, here. I got to moderate a forum for a favorite video game company of mine. Then there's other stories, like how I was featured on the news twice during elementary school, or the first out of body experience I had.

4. I mog most chads in confidence. Or at least I used to. I'd walk right up to whatever woman I found attractive and would try to talk to her. It almost never ended well, but I did it anyway. Once I hit 30 though I stopped really doing it. I'm also not one to back down from a challenge. Even if I think I lose, I'll try anyway. This confidence never helped me in any way though. Even my own co-workers of all people think I'm confident, and most of them can't STAND me!!!

5. I'm intelligent. I think several steps ahead usually, and have a high degree of intuition (though sometimes I try to ignore it), common sense, book smarts, AND street smarts. By first grade I was reading at seventh grade level, and I got so many credits in middle school that my ninth grade year was me just sitting in study hall for five hours, and my tenth grade year, I only had to go to school for 2 hours and 45 minutes a day, which was about three periods, plus lunch. School still sucked though. I've also applied my street smarts to help me when I lived in the hood. If not for that, I probably wouldn't have survived.

6. I'm resilient. I've been through ѕhit that would make normies hang themselves. The few family members I cared about died when I was little. I've been homeless three times, lived with a physically and mentally abusive mother and father, got bullied at school by teachers and students alike, gotten accused of some horrible ѕhit, such as theft and sexual harassment, ended up working with a bunch of shitty people I despise for nine fuсking years, get called ugly every day and treated like I'm a fuсking leper by nearly everyone around me, had numerous instances of terrible luck otherwise, but I'm still here. I'm still alive. Buttfucked, but alive.

Now, other credentials I have, such as talents and skills.

I have all the basic life skills that everyone should have. I can cook, clean, do laundry, do most basic car repairs (most guys I know can't do ANY of this ѕhit). Despite this, women still want useless, paperweight trophy Chad. If any of you other cels can't do some of this stuff, don't feel bad, because I can understand. LDAR is a strong thing. I've been doing that for the past month just about. I'm more pointing at the chads and soys who can't do this ѕhit.

I'm a jack of all trades, and master of some.

I can play certain sports at least decently, like basketball, soccer, and baseball. A really strange one that I have a natural talent for is badminton, though I don't like to play it because it reminds me of the bourgeois.

I was a competent graphic designer, but got bored of doing it, and stopped doing it after being ripped off for a project. Photoshop, pencil, marker, you name it, I can design some cool ѕhit with whatever you ask me to.

I can put together furniture like nobody's business. I don't know any other guys my age that can even do this. Most struggle to even hammer a nail. My specialty is tables and chairs. But my favorite thing to put together are those swinging benches with the awning over them.

I can come up with clever solutions to certain situations. A good example was when my mom needed an antenna right away for her tv because her old one broke. Nobody around had one. I was able to use my unconventional wisdom to make a makeshift one out of bent paper clips for her. It worked too.

While I haven't mastered any other languages other than English, I still know a fair bit of Japanese, Spanish, and some German. Though I never really use any of it. I'm lying somewhat, I use Japanese for my game collection.


I'm only 31 and have no debt and a good credit score. This probably doesn't sound like a big deal, but I was able to pay my debt off after ten years, and even got a refund when I found out I overpaid. Most people my age have at least 50k in debt or so left by this age. Me, I have none. And I make a decent amount of money compared to most guys in my area. Practically everything I have, I OWN. I don't rent anything except the house I'm living in.

Other miscellaneous things about me. I love to learn new subjects and new things, though that's diminished a lot over the past two years or so. The last thing I was learning was how to do more fancy car repairs.

I also love to travel. It's very hard for me to want to stay home most of the time. I break that stereotype of incels sitting in their moms' basements all day.

Now for what I've tried dating wise.

Talking to women in real life. It almost never ended well, and it especially didn't when I cold and warm approached 1,300 or so women in the span of 15 months during college. Three or four women a day, and not a single one said yes. Other guys around me tried this and ended up at least getting dates. I didn't. I did make a few girl "friends" in my life, but they usually abandoned me for someone who would treat them badly.

Talking to women online. This led to at least 500 rejections or ghostings. This was over a span of about nine years on OkCupid and PoF. Tinder I used on and off for a couple years, with a couple validation matches and one woman who did match me but kept talking in circles.

Tried the "friends first" approach, never worked.

Tried meeting women through people I knew, never worked.

Tried joining clubs relevant to my interests, such as gaming and anime. Zilch.

Conventions. Zippo.

Speed dating. Nada.

Alternative dating sites like Hinge, Bumble, and KinkD. Goose egg.

I should note I'm not a fan of modern beauty standards. So before any bluepillers accuse me of going for stacies and that's why my results are lacking, hell no. I like mid tier Becky or slightly below. They don't like me though.

So with all my credentials, and the fact that I'm a fuсking Swiss army knife of a man, why do you think I can't find a woman to save my life?

I mean obviously it's not lack of personality, confidence, or ambition. It's not lack of skills, or lack of leaving the house. It's not lack of interesting things. The usual response from a woman when she thinks I'm interested in her is, eww, he's UGLY! They look right past all my awesome attributes, and focus on my face, without missing a goddamn beat.


This happens no matter WHAT I do to improve myself, or what I do to be more interesting. It's the same damn result every time. What do you bluepillers have to say about this?

TL;DR, I have a shitton of credentials that should make me at least boyfriend material, but women hate me because of my face. The blackpill is real. Do not be fooled by this self improvement ѕhit.
The problem isn't your face. It's your attitude. How many of the women you mentioned have you wanted to just be friends with? The main problem here is that you've made a checklist of what you think girls "want", but in reality they want someone who sees them for who they are and not just "a woman". You seem to think that women are these shallow creatures that only go for specific things in a man, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Every woman is unique. There is no checklist of "credentials" that you need to get a girl. Everyone has their own tastes, and yeah, it might be hard to find someone who admires who you are, but there's going to be at least one person out there that you click with. Dating isn't an algorithm that you can solve, it's an emotional experience that is different for everyone. If you want to talk more to someone who won't judge you, I'm always here and willing to listen and give advice. I've had success with women before, so I can help out if you want. Best wishes.
Keep your damn advice to yourself, no one asked you for your uneducated input. Mkay? Ohhhkay then!
 

Dionysos

Incels.Net Master
Firebrand said:
After this, I plan to not post much longer. No, I didn't ascend or anything, quite the opposite. I don't fit in anywhere, and that includes here. So I'm gonna make an effort to completely isolate myself from everywhere after this. I'm gonna ask to get banned within the next couple days. But first....

There was a thread asking "what did we do to improve ourselves?" The point of this post is to lay out a good chunk of my positive attributes with examples, so maybe I can convert a few bluepillers to my side before I go. I'm essentially somewhat doxxing myself by posting this thread, but that's ok. It's worth it.

It really IS all about your face. That's what inceldom is caused by. Not mental issues, not autism, not height (up to a point), not your raсe, usually, but your face.

I have a good amount of positive personality attributes. I'm gonna outline those first.

1. I'm kind. I've stopped to help people push their cars to gas stations before when they ran out of gas. I've volunteered at soup kitchens. I've done work for free for certain people that I should have charged for. I've helped many people, especially women, feel better about themselves, because I know what it's like to not feel good about yourself.

2. I'm loyal. I don't flip flop sides UNLESS the other person flip flopped first. Back in my more bluepilled days I was super loyal to women that I liked even though I never dated any of them! If a fight broke out involving one of my "friends" I'd jump right in and fight alongside them. I'm also not a snitch. I don't sell people out, and I really don't want them to do it to me.

3. I'm interesting. I have a lot of stories about things I've done or been through. Things that I never mentioned on here before because I'd get doxxed easily. I'll mention one, and only one, here. I got to moderate a forum for a favorite video game company of mine. Then there's other stories, like how I was featured on the news twice during elementary school, or the first out of body experience I had.

4. I mog most chads in confidence. Or at least I used to. I'd walk right up to whatever woman I found attractive and would try to talk to her. It almost never ended well, but I did it anyway. Once I hit 30 though I stopped really doing it. I'm also not one to back down from a challenge. Even if I think I lose, I'll try anyway. This confidence never helped me in any way though. Even my own co-workers of all people think I'm confident, and most of them can't STAND me!!!

5. I'm intelligent. I think several steps ahead usually, and have a high degree of intuition (though sometimes I try to ignore it), common sense, book smarts, AND street smarts. By first grade I was reading at seventh grade level, and I got so many credits in middle school that my ninth grade year was me just sitting in study hall for five hours, and my tenth grade year, I only had to go to school for 2 hours and 45 minutes a day, which was about three periods, plus lunch. School still sucked though. I've also applied my street smarts to help me when I lived in the hood. If not for that, I probably wouldn't have survived.

6. I'm resilient. I've been through ѕhit that would make normies hang themselves. The few family members I cared about died when I was little. I've been homeless three times, lived with a physically and mentally abusive mother and father, got bullied at school by teachers and students alike, gotten accused of some horrible ѕhit, such as theft and sexual harassment, ended up working with a bunch of shitty people I despise for nine fuсking years, get called ugly every day and treated like I'm a fuсking leper by nearly everyone around me, had numerous instances of terrible luck otherwise, but I'm still here. I'm still alive. Buttfucked, but alive.

Now, other credentials I have, such as talents and skills.

I have all the basic life skills that everyone should have. I can cook, clean, do laundry, do most basic car repairs (most guys I know can't do ANY of this ѕhit). Despite this, women still want useless, paperweight trophy Chad. If any of you other cels can't do some of this stuff, don't feel bad, because I can understand. LDAR is a strong thing. I've been doing that for the past month just about. I'm more pointing at the chads and soys who can't do this ѕhit.

I'm a jack of all trades, and master of some.

I can play certain sports at least decently, like basketball, soccer, and baseball. A really strange one that I have a natural talent for is badminton, though I don't like to play it because it reminds me of the bourgeois.

I was a competent graphic designer, but got bored of doing it, and stopped doing it after being ripped off for a project. Photoshop, pencil, marker, you name it, I can design some cool ѕhit with whatever you ask me to.

I can put together furniture like nobody's business. I don't know any other guys my age that can even do this. Most struggle to even hammer a nail. My specialty is tables and chairs. But my favorite thing to put together are those swinging benches with the awning over them.

I can come up with clever solutions to certain situations. A good example was when my mom needed an antenna right away for her tv because her old one broke. Nobody around had one. I was able to use my unconventional wisdom to make a makeshift one out of bent paper clips for her. It worked too.

While I haven't mastered any other languages other than English, I still know a fair bit of Japanese, Spanish, and some German. Though I never really use any of it. I'm lying somewhat, I use Japanese for my game collection.


I'm only 31 and have no debt and a good credit score. This probably doesn't sound like a big deal, but I was able to pay my debt off after ten years, and even got a refund when I found out I overpaid. Most people my age have at least 50k in debt or so left by this age. Me, I have none. And I make a decent amount of money compared to most guys in my area. Practically everything I have, I OWN. I don't rent anything except the house I'm living in.

Other miscellaneous things about me. I love to learn new subjects and new things, though that's diminished a lot over the past two years or so. The last thing I was learning was how to do more fancy car repairs.

I also love to travel. It's very hard for me to want to stay home most of the time. I break that stereotype of incels sitting in their moms' basements all day.

Now for what I've tried dating wise.

Talking to women in real life. It almost never ended well, and it especially didn't when I cold and warm approached 1,300 or so women in the span of 15 months during college. Three or four women a day, and not a single one said yes. Other guys around me tried this and ended up at least getting dates. I didn't. I did make a few girl "friends" in my life, but they usually abandoned me for someone who would treat them badly.

Talking to women online. This led to at least 500 rejections or ghostings. This was over a span of about nine years on OkCupid and PoF. Tinder I used on and off for a couple years, with a couple validation matches and one woman who did match me but kept talking in circles.

Tried the "friends first" approach, never worked.

Tried meeting women through people I knew, never worked.

Tried joining clubs relevant to my interests, such as gaming and anime. Zilch.

Conventions. Zippo.

Speed dating. Nada.

Alternative dating sites like Hinge, Bumble, and KinkD. Goose egg.

I should note I'm not a fan of modern beauty standards. So before any bluepillers accuse me of going for stacies and that's why my results are lacking, hell no. I like mid tier Becky or slightly below. They don't like me though.
The problem isn't your face. It's your attitude. How many of the women you mentioned have you wanted to just be friends with? The main problem here is that you've made a checklist of what you think girls "want", but in reality they want someone who sees them for who they are and not just "a woman". You seem to think that women are these shallow creatures that only go for specific things in a man, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Every woman is unique. There is no checklist of "credentials" that you need to get a girl. Everyone has their own tastes, and yeah, it might be hard to find someone who admires who you are, but there's going to be at least one person out there that you click with. Dating isn't an algorithm that you can solve, it's an emotional experience that is different for everyone. If you want to talk more to someone who won't judge you, I'm always here and willing to listen and give advice. I've had success with women before, so I can help out if you want. Best wishes.
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If men and foids are the same why can’t i hit them as hard as any other man would hit me?

But if men and foids aren’t the same why do they get triggered when we tell them they are the weaker gender on average physical and intellectual.

Wich one is it?
 

Gelgamek

Incels.Net Novice
Gelgamek said:
I've been lurking this thread, mostly silently, for the last few days. Partly out of curiosity but mostly out of frustration after seeing the way women are spoken about in a lot of the comments on here. As a women, I find it strange that there's women on here that aren't bothered by this at all. But back to the reason I'm commenting here.

Firebrand, I've just read your post and to an extent, I think you've helped me to understand the frustration better than I have from the last few days of lurking. We don't get to see the lives you've all lived, the struggles you've faced and all the rejections you've had to brush off. We only see the result of that, which is understandably anger, resentment and a very pessimistic world view.
There's always been this image of incels as basement dwelling guys who don't shower, and who have a boner for fakecels like Ellіot Rodger. But most of us are much more nuanced than that. You can see this by checking out most of the members' origin stories. There are men here who were outright rаped and physically abused by women, others were humiliated and mistreated by wide swaths of people; it's just one big garbage fest.

There are members here like AfricanCel who have similar stories to me. They grew up being a good kid and, eventually, a good MAN, yet people still hate their guts and try to get in the way of what they're doing.

Before reading this I'd 100% say I was bluepilled, i would admit that the less attractive you are the harder it is to find someone, but not impossible. Now I have doubts, and that breaks my heart.

I still don't believe women are the route of all evil. It would be weird if I did. But I understand your point of view a lot better. I don't think there's anything I can say that will make a difference in any of your lives, but I enjoyed reading a thread about an incel talking so positively about themself. If you guys are right and this world is cruel and unfair, then even without 'getting the girl', always feel proud of the things you have achieved, because you probably had to work 10x as hard to get them.
I don't believe that women exactly are the root of all evil, but I think a lot of them misdirect their hatred, anger, and rejections towards the wrong guys. It is highly frustrating to have a good story to tell, and a good head on your shoulders, yet nobody seems to notice or care. But then you walk out into the world the next day and see thugs, pedos, and psychopaths with loving families and plenty of friends. Yet guys like me are the ones who have the police called on us, or humiliated online, or ghosted, or any number of crazy reverse karma ѕhit.

I'm trying to be proud of myself now, because I've learned a lot and done a lot in 31 years that nobody can take from me. It may not matter to others, but it at least should to me. I'm not perfect, but goddammit, I'm trying.
I appreciate you reading what I have to say and responding to me. I mean this is your space to get away from people like myself who are probably always hitting out with the same useless advice you've heard a million times before. It says a lot about you as a person, you've proved that you are not the stereotype incel that I expected to encounter on here. I hope you find fullfillment in life, in whatever way you can.

Now I better be off before I repulse anyone too much with my lack of hymen.
 

Dionysos

Incels.Net Master
Firebrand said:
Gelgamek said:
I've been lurking this thread, mostly silently, for the last few days. Partly out of curiosity but mostly out of frustration after seeing the way women are spoken about in a lot of the comments on here. As a women, I find it strange that there's women on here that aren't bothered by this at all. But back to the reason I'm commenting here.

Firebrand, I've just read your post and to an extent, I think you've helped me to understand the frustration better than I have from the last few days of lurking. We don't get to see the lives you've all lived, the struggles you've faced and all the rejections you've had to brush off. We only see the result of that, which is understandably anger, resentment and a very pessimistic world view.
There's always been this image of incels as basement dwelling guys who don't shower, and who have a boner for fakecels like Ellіot Rodger. But most of us are much more nuanced than that. You can see this by checking out most of the members' origin stories. There are men here who were outright rаped and physically abused by women, others were humiliated and mistreated by wide swaths of people; it's just one big garbage fest.

There are members here like AfricanCel who have similar stories to me. They grew up being a good kid and, eventually, a good MAN, yet people still hate their guts and try to get in the way of what they're doing.

Before reading this I'd 100% say I was bluepilled, i would admit that the less attractive you are the harder it is to find someone, but not impossible. Now I have doubts, and that breaks my heart.

I still don't believe women are the route of all evil. It would be weird if I did. But I understand your point of view a lot better. I don't think there's anything I can say that will make a difference in any of your lives, but I enjoyed reading a thread about an incel talking so positively about themself. If you guys are right and this world is cruel and unfair, then even without 'getting the girl', always feel proud of the things you have achieved, because you probably had to work 10x as hard to get them.
I don't believe that women exactly are the root of all evil, but I think a lot of them misdirect their hatred, anger, and rejections towards the wrong guys. It is highly frustrating to have a good story to tell, and a good head on your shoulders, yet nobody seems to notice or care. But then you walk out into the world the next day and see thugs, pedos, and psychopaths with loving families and plenty of friends. Yet guys like me are the ones who have the police called on us, or humiliated online, or ghosted, or any number of crazy reverse karma ѕhit.

I'm trying to be proud of myself now, because I've learned a lot and done a lot in 31 years that nobody can take from me. It may not matter to others, but it at least should to me. I'm not perfect, but goddammit, I'm trying.
I appreciate you reading what I have to say and responding to me. I mean this is your space to get away from people like myself who are probably always hitting out with the same useless advice you've heard a million times before. It says a lot about you as a person, you've proved that you are not the stereotype incel that I expected to encounter on here. I hope you find fullfillment in life, in whatever way you can.

Now I better be off before I repulse anyone too much with my lack of hymen.
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